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Krizzle
07-27-2011, 06:58 PM
Okay so i was thinking, not TOO much knowledge on Christianity but I know the story of adam and eve.. they were the first 2 people on the planet right..

After that did they give birth to kids or something?

Kurupt
07-27-2011, 07:02 PM
Okay so i was thinking, not TOO much knowledge on Christianity but I know the story of adam and eve.. they were the first 2 people on the planet right..

After that did they give birth to kids or something?

yup. after they were kicked out of the garden of eden they had many children which then had many children. and yes they were the first 2 humans on earth built from sand or dirt(pretty much the same but cant remember exactly which 1)

Ghostface
07-27-2011, 07:04 PM
Yeah they gave birth to cain and abel.Cain killed abel, then Cain went to some city of sod? I believe, met his wife(dont ask me how). and then reproduced.

I saw some series on Tv and they said in fact that adam and Eve really weren't the first people. Forgot the name it was years ago

Krizzle
07-27-2011, 07:11 PM
so in that case isnt everyone related from a christians point of view?

Kurupt
07-27-2011, 07:14 PM
from a christians point of view yes your right shiva. technically were all related. and even though incest is considered bad to a christian it happened to be the way we all got here according to the bible. but ppl will say that oh back then incest was ok because man was near perfect back then and there was no harm to their genetic mutation.

sounds really sketchy to me imo

Krizzle
07-27-2011, 07:21 PM
thats what im saying, that was my next point, incest

it doesnt make sense. all forms of christianity are against incest yet it goes against their own bible due to the fact that we are all related to each other more or less..

hmmmmm

Jah
07-27-2011, 07:42 PM
the bible does not say that Adam and Eve where the ONLY ppl God created.

Think of it this way, the Bible is the Word of God revealed to man and transcribed in the scriptures, God reveals what he desires and reveals it in a manner that his people can understand clearly.
God isn't on some Stephen Hawking type shit

Ghostface
07-27-2011, 07:52 PM
the bible does not say that Adam and Eve where the ONLY ppl God created.

Your right, good point...It just says that they were the first

Kurupt
07-27-2011, 07:58 PM
so god created other humans but didnt allow them in the garden of eden??

Jah
07-27-2011, 08:07 PM
so god created other humans but didnt allow them in the garden of eden??

how do u know?
was there one garden?
did God create Adam and Eve and wait 100 years and create 2 more people

again i believe God only reveals what we need to know

Krizzle
07-27-2011, 08:14 PM
i only believe in stuff that appears to be fact, and when i do read the bible (which i will) ill be able to say positively my opinion. and if it only says that he created adam and eve then he only created adam and eve

Kurupt
07-27-2011, 08:20 PM
how do u know?
was there one garden?
did God create Adam and Eve and wait 100 years and create 2 more people

again i believe God only reveals what we need to know

idk. lol im actually interested in this cuz i find alot of things in christianity are very confusing and sometimes contradictory.

Ghostface
07-27-2011, 08:25 PM
i only believe in stuff that appears to be fact, and when i do read the bible (which i will) ill be able to say positively my opinion. and if it only says that he created adam and eve then he only created adam and eve

There are alot of stuff taking out of the bible(ex. Hell is actually Not eternal). I wouldn't be suprised if There were more than 1 garden or More people were created.

Krizzle
07-27-2011, 08:29 PM
There are alot of stuff taking out of the bible(ex. Hell is actually Not eternal). I wouldn't be suprised if There were more than 1 garden or More people were created.

me neither bro. but from what i learnt and what ive believed in for a long time is that 1 garden and 2 people were created. its like the norm belief

Ghostface
07-27-2011, 08:31 PM
There is also a story out there that Adam was most likely the 1000th adam created. I wish I could find the series somewhere on the internet. The show was like a 3 part series called "The lost Books Of the Bible" or 'the lost gospels" Cant remember the name but it was on the history channel like 5 years ago

Krizzle
07-27-2011, 08:32 PM
There is also a story out there that Adam was most likely the 1000th adam created.

elaborate........

Ghostface
07-27-2011, 08:41 PM
elaborate........

On that series, it was saying that The adam and eve we know where actually not the first humans. I guess it was saying pretty much that God didnt get it right the first time lol. Damn I wish I could remember everything they said. It was some 3 part series i saw on the hisory channel years ago when I was a junior in high school. i was real heavy into this religion stuff. They also had a series on Angels vs demons and a whole bunch of stuff. And they also talk about most of the real scriptures that were taken out the bible. Like jesus telling peter that hell is not eternal and mary Not really being a prostitute. or even the fact that at the time of jesus there were 3 other people claiming to be the son of God.

Krizzle
07-27-2011, 08:44 PM
On that series, it was saying that The adam and eve we know where actually not the first humans. I guess it was saying pretty much that God didnt get it right the first time lol. Damn I wish I could remember everything they said. It was some 3 part series i saw on the hisory channel years ago when I was a junior in high school. i was real heavy into this religion stuff. They also had a series on Angels vs demons and a whole bunch of stuff. And they also talk about most of the real scriptures that were taken out the bible. Like jesus telling peter that hell is not eternal and mary Not really being a prostitute. or even the fact that at the time of jesus there were 3 other people claiming to be the son of God.

sounds like some confusing shit. i had to read that 3 times to fully understand loooool

Ghostface
07-27-2011, 08:54 PM
sounds like some confusing shit. i had to read that 3 times to fully understand loooool

Lol. damn I wish you would have caught me when I was in middle school or high school, I would have been able to tell you alot. Cause I was heavy into studying all the religions that I could. Now all I worry about is Bills and shit lol.
And its also weird that you made this thread cause A couple of days ago when I went away for my birthday Before I went to bed I Started reading a couple of pages of the Bible(the one that they leave in hotels on the nightstand). And started thinking of that adam and eve story and wondering, once again, how the hell did cain Find a wife. and then pat posted what he said and pretty much answered my question

Krizzle
07-27-2011, 08:57 PM
Lol. damn I wish you would have caught me when I was in middle school or high school, I would have been able to tell you alot. Cause I was heavy into studying all the religions that I could. Now all I worry about is Bills and shit lol.
And its also weird that you made this thread cause A couple of days ago when I went away for my birthday Before I went to bed I Started reading a couple of pages of the Bible(the one that they leave in hotels on the nightstand). And started thinking of that adam and eve story and wondering, once again, how the hell did cain Find a wife. and then pat posted what he said and pretty much answered my question

mb is the prophecy!!! lol

but yeah as soon as i hit uni im gonna hit the books on religion

Ghostface
07-27-2011, 09:05 PM
Im starting to get back into that stuff myself

Blaze
07-27-2011, 09:35 PM
According to my Muslim faith,Adam an Eve were the first humans created.

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Jah
07-27-2011, 10:32 PM
you may have read they where the first but where does it say they were the last created by god


And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen 2:7

God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth Gen 1:24-31


i dont c no time frame here

i believe it can be likely that in chapter one god speaks about creating man and in chapter 2 god speaks about the story of adam and eve as a parable of advice against betraying god and warning about the evil one
very simple, no need for the history channel over elaborations!!

Ghostface
07-27-2011, 11:08 PM
you may have read they where the first but where does it say they were the last created by god



i dont c no time frame here

i believe it can be likely that in chapter one god speaks about creating man and in chapter 2 god speaks about the story of adam and eve as a parable of advice against betraying god and warning about the evil one
very simple, no need for the history channel over elaborations!!

Like I said, your not going to see that in the bible. Alot of stuff was taken out. I just heard that adam and eve were not the first Humans created.

Jah
07-27-2011, 11:23 PM
I said like 3 times that it was taking out of the bible So I dont know why your pulling up a bible verse. and its not only the history channel that I saw it either.

That as actually directed at Thuggblaze

but anyway u can say it 300 times, but this is blasphemy:

"And they also talk about most of the real scriptures that were taken out the bible. Like jesus telling peter that hell is not eternal"

In the Bible Jesus describes Hell as the unquenchable fire:


Matt. 25: 41 - "Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil. "
Mark 9: 43 - "go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched."

Mary Magdalene was never described as a prostitute in the bible, you're right on that one, she was only described as a 'woman of the city who was a sinner'. People take it how they want it

And of course there were ppl who claimed to be The Christ. The Old Testament prophecied that there would be a Christ and it would obviously profit any man to claim they were Him.

Ghostface
07-27-2011, 11:29 PM
That as actually directed at Thuggblaze

but anyway u can say it 300 times, but this is blasphemy:

"And they also talk about most of the real scriptures that were taken out the bible. Like jesus telling peter that hell is not eternal"

In the Bible Jesus describes Hell as the unquenchable fire:



Mary Magdalene was never described as a prostitute in the bible, you're right on that one, she was only described as a 'woman of the city who was a sinner'. People take it how they want it

And of course there were ppl who claimed to be The Christ. The Old Testament prophecied that there would be a Christ and it would obviously profit any man to claim they were Him.

I know what the bible said, How is it blasphemy by the way?

Jah
07-27-2011, 11:35 PM
I know what the bible said, How is it blasphemy by the way?

Blasphemy as in disregard toward holy personages and beliefs.
Ignoring what is written

Ghostface
07-27-2011, 11:45 PM
Blasphemy as in disregard toward holy personages and beliefs.
Ignoring what is written

Ignore what is written? Dont get me started. The bible is full of a whole bunch of negative crap that even you ignore.

Jah
07-27-2011, 11:53 PM
Ignore what is written? Dont get me started. The bible is full of a whole bunch of negative crap that even you ignore.

its not the bible that is the problem its ppl who talk smack and don't back it up

I put up quotes to try to help you understand my point, u put up renditions of vague memories of TV shows, what someone told you or what you read

It bothers me because that influences ppl to criticise the good book

Put up any of this 'negative crap' ur talking about and i'll give u my opinion on it if u want

Ppl can hide behind statements such as 'The book is old, negative and outdated' or that its vague and irelevent.
as far as i'm concerned it is the Word of God, he blessed Men who wrote the scriptures and his Hand is upon it

Ghostface
07-28-2011, 12:04 AM
its not the bible that is the problem its ppl who talk smack and don't back it up

I put up quotes to try to help you understand my point, u put up renditions of vague memories of TV shows, what someone told you or what you read

It bothers me because that influences ppl to criticise the good book

Put up any of this 'negative crap' ur talking about and i'll give u my opinion on it if u want

Ppl can hide behind statements such as 'The book is old, negative and outdated' or that its vague and irelevent.
as far as i'm concerned it is the Word of God, he blessed Men who wrote the scriptures and his Hand is upon it

If thats ALL God word then he is one twisted fuck. If this is the good book then huh? you follow every word then huh? then do this

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

then this

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
YEAH KILL THE HOMOS
then this

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)KILL AN NON-CHRISTIAN...

this

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Exactly....

Ghostface
07-28-2011, 12:09 AM
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
You should be KILLED for working on the sabbeth? REALLY?

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)


Oh yeah and last but not least

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

YEAH GOOD PERFECT BOOK

Oh and people who commit fornication(Sex before marriage) Should be killed also, According to your book. Lets see how that works out for you.
So whenever you want to talk about the bible and quote scriptures and shit. Why dont you go ahead and quote all the shit I just posted also. Unless your going to be called out on "ignoring what was written" which Is blasphemy, which is a sin, which also means according to your book, that you defend so much, you should be put to death

Yes there are a whole lot of Good stuff in there but dont deny that there is a whole lot of crap in their also.

Kurupt
07-28-2011, 12:12 AM
the bible is a good book to get some1 on the right path and help ppl make the right choices. but 1 can not be ignorant to the fact that some stuff in the bible is controversial.

IAmAdri
07-28-2011, 12:51 AM
as a raised catholic..I never took the bible literal. I don't see why others do. I look at it
more of a childrens story, whats the message ? whats the moral ?

Jah
07-28-2011, 06:28 AM
lol congratulations taylor on quoting half of the old testament!

let me give u my opinion, based on context of the good book in its entirity

the bible talks about hell as death and heaven as eternal life
the result of sin is death however No one can blame God for not providing a merciful alternative or call Him evil for providing justice against sin.

books of the old tetament are stories of their time, different situations that occured.
what you posted here are the laws imposed by moses and the prophets before christ was sent to the world to pay the price for mans sin. they were laws imposed on the israelites who he blessed by taking them out of egypt and who had since turned their backs on god
The Old Covenant laws enabled Israel to flourish and survive as a nation in the culture of the time, which is why slavery, food laws, and war occurred.

that is how they lived how are u to judge? where do you get ur moral barometer, does that not too come from god?

god is a vengeful god, does it not make sence that he ould dispise sin? however here god talks how those laws or covenent paved the way for a saviour:


Jeremiah 31:31-34 says, "'The days are coming,' declares the Lord, 'when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant,

and thus we enter the new testament where god provides an alternative price for sin by sending his son so that if you repent of your sin you will live. his sons death in exchange for yours. payment of the price of sin

Ghostface
07-28-2011, 07:33 AM
LOL WOW. Regardless if its the new testament or not. Isn't the 10 commandments in the old testament? Dont ya follow that?

Jah
07-28-2011, 07:44 AM
dude i have not written off the old testament at all. i was saying you have to take it into context as a whole book and not just quote from the old testament which described laws put in place to a wicked people before Jesus paid the price for sin

Ghostface
07-28-2011, 07:57 AM
I said that there were negative crap in the book, you told me to show you where, I did. Regardless of where the hell its at, its in the book. your sitting here ignorant not knowing why the book gets a bad rep and i showed you why. At one point in time God Condoned the raping of women and the murder of people. He Ran a world of chaos. The old testament is full of violence.If you used the old testament as a movie script. we would damn near have our very own Saw 8. I know all about Jesus pretty much wiping away the laws of the old testament. I read that In there on my own when I was about 11. This is no news to me.

Jah
07-28-2011, 08:04 AM
raping women?? and i'm being ignorant?!

look man all i'm saying is you have to read the whole book to understand Gods plan.

You are saying the bible is negative as well as positive. Did God himself not create the baramotor of what is good and evil?!

this debate is over for me, just read the book

Kurupt
07-28-2011, 10:31 AM
Did God himself not create the baramotor of what is good and evil?!

this is a very interesting question. we went over this 1 time in my philosophy class. if god was to come to u and tell u to rape and murder a woman would u do it?? if not then would that mean that man has his own set of ethics not laid down by god??

whats the story in the bible where god told his follower to kill his own son just to prove his faith?? imo that story is so fucked up. god should already know how devoted some1 is to him. no1 should have to go thru that kind of pressure and pain just to prove a point. and i know god stopped him right before he killed his son but its still fucked up

Felix
07-28-2011, 10:35 AM
so in that case isnt everyone related from a christians point of view?

naw man, same story bout adam and eve in the islaam...

Jah
07-28-2011, 10:47 AM
this is a very interesting question. we went over this 1 time in my philosophy class. if god was to come to u and tell u to rape and murder a woman would u do it?? if not then would that mean that man has his own set of ethics not laid down by god??

whats the story in the bible where god told his follower to kill his own son just to prove his faith?? imo that story is so fucked up. god should already know how devoted some1 is to him. no1 should have to go thru that kind of pressure and pain just to prove a point. and i know god stopped him right before he killed his son but its still fucked up

from a writer i respect;
When questioning the motives of God, the Creator, one must always keep in mind that God is not a human being. Attributing human characteristics to God (or anything other than a human) is called, "anthropomorphizing". When we anthropomorphize God, we commit a grave error of logic. Furthermore, it is an act of folly and a lack of wisdom should we decide that we (God's creation) can "judge" God.

check it;

"Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, `Why did you make me like this?'" Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?" (Romans 9:18-21, NIV)

and u must note that abraham was rewarded for his obedience to god

"The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." (Genesis 22:10-12, 15-18, NIV)

that is the frutrating part of debate like this becaue a lot of time ppl do not bring the whole story to the table

Kurupt
07-28-2011, 11:17 AM
very interesting answer jah. but how was i even applying human characteristics to god. i simply just said that it was wrong for him to test abraham like that. i get my right and wrong from god himself supposedly. ill quote u

"God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

imo that quote says that alot of things we have is because of god. for example how we know whats right or wrong. we inherited that from him.so how can i be giving god human characteristics such as reasoning when he gave that to me himself based on his reasoning... hope im making sense. or maybe i misinterpreted that quote.

and i know your romans quote is pretty much saying that even though god gave us judgement we still have no right to judge his actions. but thats ridiculous. if god physically came down here and started raping my mom does that mean i have to just sit there and watch and pass no judgement?? keep in mind that this is just an example and i know god would never do anything like that but im using this for the sake of argument/debate.

good point abraham was rewarded. but was that really necessary? if he had to do that to see how devoted abraham was how does he know how devoted we are?? he doesnt come down anymore and tell us to murder a loved 1 then stop us right before we do it

Jah
07-28-2011, 12:23 PM
I know it can be difficult for us to accept but God does consider himself His Majesty and expecs to be praised and worshipped by us

"he whp is without sin cast the first stone", we can't judge because who are we to judge, we have all sinned
God is Perfect and without sin, therefore he can judge

Outlaw Immortal
07-29-2011, 01:53 PM
Religion is kind of complicated for me.
I wasn't raised in a house that went to church, but my grandparents went, and I was raised not to cuss and do that shit, and that Jesus is god and the rest of the story..l8ly ive gotten pretty far away from it, almost like so busy living life...I just try to be the best person i can be...and not get into discussions because no one here has answers lol.

Jah
07-29-2011, 10:44 PM
^ at least not the answers u want to hear bro