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Thread: My argument to alive theorists...i can convince you that you are wrong...LOL

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    Default My argument to alive theorists...i can convince you that you are wrong...LOL

    It seems to me that if you believe that Pac faked his death and is still alive or didnt die as a result from that shooting in Vegas than you have to believe either one of two things: 1.) Pac faked his death without telling his family and dissapeared into the fog he so famously rapped about OR
    2.) Pac faked his death and his family knows about it and is passing the lie off on America because it is what is in Pac's best interest



    Here is my problem with option 1....no matter how much pac wanted to leave the limelight(which i personally dont think he did) no matter how much danger faces Pac if he is alive..no matter how paranoid he was there is no way anyone on this planet could convince me that the same person WHO WROTE DEAR MAMA COULD PUT HIS MOTHER THROUGH THE ONGOING PAIN SHE MUST BE FEELING BY BELIEVING PAC IS DEAD IF IN FACT HE IS NOT....for all of you who love Pac..do you think he would put his Mother..sister..Geronimo...Mutulu...Mopreme...Jada ...Kidada..OUTLAWZ..his ex wife...and to a lesser degree all of his adoring fans..through this pain just so he could live his life somewhere...i DO NOT...

    Now option 2...If you believe option 2 then you have to also believe that Afeni Shakur is a bold face liar and scam artist who has been profiting..setting up foundations..buiilding art centers...taking donations...lying to children's faces..erecting statues..accepting awards...and everything else all based on her sons death..and not for a little bit either...for OVER 15 YEARS...so your gonna set here and tell me that same woman that cried on TV and set up a charitable foundation taking donations (MINE INCLUDED) is the same person that would lie to all of us...you better come with some serious evidence that can convince me because i have a huge amount of respect for Afeni and his whole fam for that matter and dont believe they would do that...

    I mean i could see Afeni hiding her son if that is what he wanted..but if that were the case she would just say nothing..she aint gonna just lie and profit off his death if he were alive..i mean if it were ever revealed he was in fact alive and Afeni had profited off his death for years she would get put UNDER THE JAIL..along with anyone else that profited...

    In closing i just want to say that i am in love with the idea of pac being alive somewhere having pulled off some houdini mind trick and disaperring to find peace he couldnt find in life...its just not realistic..and all the mathematic algorithims and hidden subliminal messages in his lyrics could not convince me otherwise..i just think pac knew his time was short and his lyrics were composed from that viewpoint...written by a man who knew his songs would be listened to after his violent death and he wanted to be immortalized and so his lyrics left things up in the air...

    truth is pac punched a REAL KILLER in the face and got shot four times and drowned on his own blood in a hospital bed in las vegas at the age of 25...one of the greatest musical geniuses of all time who produced one of the greatest bodies of work of all time died over some gang bullshit and it sucks really really bad...he has left a void that unlikely will ever be filled especially with the decline of hip hop( except for NAS!!)

    I respect this board and its members but please please i am issuing this challenge to anyone ..please convince me otherwise because i would love to think he is alive..but i dont..and either should you

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    It would be impossible for Pac to be alive or for Pac to have faked his death in 1996 without Afeni knowing since she let him go in her words and she identified the 'body. Big reason why many people still believe Pac is still here is because Afeni has fueled them more than they should of been fueled could write a list down... some of the top of my head are the edited pacs laugh in good die young at the beginning , better days album intro and outro , until end of of time album song list 7 breathing 13 until the end of time , ghetto gospel video , pacs older statue at TASF , resurrection special feature of the clock and easter egg, Afenis choice of words in interviews such as '' pac choose his life he choose to leave quietly , i wish he was here everyday but i dont want him to be happy... plenty more. If Pac is still alive those tears are not fake because she cant see her son when she wants or talk to him its as if hes basically dead. If pac did indeed fake his death I personally wouldnt look at Afeni any differently than i already do.
    Im not sure if anyone on this board has had family members actually leave there whole family for years and not return ive had numerous family members leave at certain stages in their life for their safety my aunties son left in 1997 because he was gonna get killed he has been in exile from his birth country for 15 years has not seen his mother , father , sisters, brothers etc for 15 years now he keeps in contact rarely but he will never ever return. When i look at that and see that in my own family then look at Pacs life and see how pacs situation is much worse it does not look as farfeteched that Pac would fake his death and dissapear to me anyway. I didnt write that to convince you either got more to say much more from personal experiences of people around me but ill leave at that .
    Makaveli lives!

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    2pac is dead. I think it's similar to those fake youtube documentaries that say things like Obama is a terrorist, crap about illuminati, crap about lizard aliens ruling the earth and hiding as humans.
    Only reason I think people can believe he's alive is the because he used the alias Makaveli and since machiavelli faked his death. And because he got shot in 94 so he raped about stuff about being shot and surviving etc.
    Also record companies have ran with this and used this to help sell records by adding lil touches to albums to create speculation and help boost album sales.

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    i bet they miss assata too, but rather have her alive and away than loose her to some prison bars and the federal government

    please go read up on how the shakur family is well used to do anything to prevent loosing more relatives to death or jail.

    im not saying tupac is alive, but your disproving argument is weak
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    Quote Originally Posted by thuggishruggish View Post
    2pac is dead. I think it's similar to those fake youtube documentaries that say things like Obama is a terrorist, crap about illuminati, crap about lizard aliens ruling the earth and hiding as humans.
    Only reason I think people can believe he's alive is the because he used the alias Makaveli and since machiavelli faked his death. And because he got shot in 94 so he raped about stuff about being shot and surviving etc.
    Also record companies have ran with this and used this to help sell records by adding lil touches to albums to create speculation and help boost album sales.
    of course 99% of whats there is bullshit, but not everything is

    thats just the very real conspiracy of keeping people confused, working great i see
    Last edited by Krizzle; 08-31-2012 at 03:20 PM.

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    why couldn't tupac fake his death? the whole thing about this is that half of you guys who believe tupac is dead is because you saw it on television,well let me bring you to reality here, THE MEDIA LIES,THE TELEVISION IS WHAT WE CALL A MIND CONTROL, tupac was too smart for them to kill him like that and i suggest you get the white book by makaveli, if you don't have it go here https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-W...79959882073325 read everything you see ,there's a song hand written by pac himself saying ' makaveli was the name i chosed when i sratigized" now what does me mean by that? if you think pac is dead then think again and one more thing suge said no one never saw his body and fatal said that too.the next thing is that we all know they didn't do an autopsy and the pic is fake...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovespecialistelijah View Post
    why couldn't tupac fake his death? the whole thing about this is that half of you guys who believe tupac is dead is because you saw it on television,well let me bring you to reality here, THE MEDIA LIES,THE TELEVISION IS WHAT WE CALL A MIND CONTROL, tupac was too smart for them to kill him like that and i suggest you get the white book by makaveli, if you don't have it go here https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-W...79959882073325 read everything you see ,there's a song hand written by pac himself saying ' makaveli was the name i chosed when i sratigized" now what does me mean by that? if you think pac is dead then think again and one more thing suge said no one never saw his body and fatal said that too.the next thing is that we all know they didn't do an autopsy and the pic is fake...
    so you're just spamming promotion for that bullshit book right

    didn't u know the extra L in makavelli is for Looser?

    you're as bad as tv since you're just plugging the book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    so you're just spamming promotion for that bullshit book right

    didn't u know the extra L in makavelli is for Looser?

    you're as bad as tv since you're just plugging the book
    i guess your as dumb as i thought you were i'm not spamming anything if you go to the link i provide and start to read certain parts of the book and some of his hand written lyrics you would understand why the media lied about tupac being dead and why there still looking for him..you guys listen to music the bob your head to the beat that's why your so tied up about pac being alive or dead.

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    pac was deffo a prophet, his words keep ringing true
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    lol^^^"listen to the words! dont just bob your head to the beat.. peep game! and hold us accountable for it".. he said it him self. and yes no one saw the body.. no funeral.. no convictions if pac is dead why arnet these easily answered sevens all coincident?? wtf? if assata can do it why not pac? just believe what you want either one or the other.. or like me keep you belief open and just think at the end of the day no matter where he is his happy
    "U CANT C ME"

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    nice post man

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    So you're saying as a parent Afeni wouldn't go to the ends of the earth to protect her son or any of her children? I know I would, If I had a son who was in trouble, had people after him, and he came to me with a plan and the money to get out of the life, I'd go with it no questions asked.

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    yeah... have 2 agree.. your argument lacks strength. You sound as though you are arguing with yourself & even deep down you can see how Pac could be alive. Also again have 2 agree you should really read up on how the Shakurs (& affiliates) really do anything to avoid prison or death. Also Afeni doesn't really bold face lie.. she more contradicts her self repeatedly.. says one thing then strongly hints at another.
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    This, all I have to say is, please read "The FBI war on Tupac Shakur and black leaders" and everything you just said in your post will be proven wrong. No disrespect, but you clearly do not understand how deeply rooted the Shakur family really is to the Black Panther Party and liberation movements that included people who were NOT willing to die or go to jail easily by ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

    Better yet, here it is in documentary form. Don't bother buying the book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miziz View Post
    I respect this board and its members but please please i am issuing this challenge to anyone
    Challenge ?

    Never looked like one.

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