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    Angry Message to Alive Theorists

    hello yall, ya know i always respected ur work and had ur back for quite some time.

    but it disgusts me to come in this site and see that whatever kids post in youtube
    ends up here and get acclaimed as evidence. and every thread goes to waste either by flaming or pure ignorance.

    so i would like to ask all theorists a few simple things.

    -DO NOT GET BAITED INTO FLAME WARS; these mofos dont respect ur points and insult, report any personal attack to moderators, do not reply back and do not engage in cursing arguments, thats what they want, make yall look silly.

    -DO NOT POST THEORIES ABOUT RETURN DATES; thats just silly... ive been on the scene since 98 and must have read numerogical theories like "6+1=7 so tupac is returning in bla bla" for every fooking year

    -NICCOLO MACHIAVELLI NEVER FAKED HIS DEATH; yes he listed it as one of the means to deceive enemies and attain power but he never did it himself, he was sent to exhile due to power shifts in feudal italy, but he never faked his death, dont make fake facts to fit ur theories ever. so with that anyone claiming 2014 shove it up ur ass.
    i dont care how many youtube vids u watched.

    -DO NOT POST THEORIES ABOUT KASINOVA; THA REALEST; BLAC HAZE; OR LOOKALIKES AND PAC SPOTTED VIDS
    dont fall victims of desinformation and publicity stunts.

    -NEVER CLAIM WITHOUT A DOUBT U KNOW WHAT PAC MEANT IN LYRICS; its all speculation on both sides, no one else but pac could know for sure.

    -DO NOT TRY TO CONVERT ANYONE INTO BELIEVING; this is not a religion and we are not preachers, were simply theorizing and speculating about things as we have the right to, dont call anyone "retarded" or "ignorant" as an argument, leave those kinds of superior arguments for persons like mr. anton batey who's so fond of them.
    u cant convince nor is ur job to convince anyone, ur job is to expose and bring matters into question and discussion.

    -DO NOT BASE UR THEORIES AROUND YOUTUBE VIDEOS; or make ur threads just by placing vids, chances is we all seen it before, and its the same things over and over again. new fans please understand there was theories long before youtube.

    -LEARN TO IGNORE OBVIOUS BULLSHIT; many ppl make fake acounts(like that dude pacsouljatellem) just to do some bullshit theory and just laugh on how yall so easy baited into replying either against or suporting it.

    -RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES OPINION ALWAYS; if someone doesnt agree with what u say and havent insulted ur claims in any wait do not resort to make fun of those ppl or call em "sheeps" as that also does not paint a very bright picture of urselves.

    -ALWAYS VERIFY UR OWN FACTUAL CLAIMS; if ur referencing factual evidence but can't remember exact details make it known, check the facts first, or go back and correct them when u can. do not let a good arguments get destroyed just coz u made a slip up somewhere.

    -DO NOT REPLY TO WHOLE POSTS POINT BY POINT, ALWAYS MAKE A CONCISE ANSWER TO ANY POSTER;
    dissecting people's posts and replying quote by quote is the anton batey method, and it only shows u cant make a concise point, means ur just good at debating not at having a complete view of subjects and points of discussion.


    and thats it.

    hope these points get taken into account.

    also i would like to stress to the whole makaveli-board staff that this section is clogged with insults and obvious atempts of flaming competitions. do not let this happen as this section is one of the reasons this site gets the traffic it does, with the section looking like this only thing showing is the site is miss-managed and not a good image to pass on, just shows that its pretty much a free for all.


    thank you all,

    bushi "the guru" (lol)

    peace

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    yo bushi, does that mean your back? ive been back about 2 weeks and agree with you.. i wont be around long unless things change, if we all came back anton would crawl back under the rock he was hiding under

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    its actually my fault he is back here as he left NM due to me kicking him around with mod powers and closing his thread, so he felt threathened by that.

    and im not back, i was never away as my account wasnt even deleted.

    but its no secret im not active much here anymore as im active as staff in NM, but i do lurk on this site mostly in this section.

    but its seriously disgusting me on how mofos(asides few like u and g-tex, ya know the old crew) let every good thread get ruined so easily.

    coz im gonna act like this, post bs theories, ill destroy yall myself.

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    pm me your new site, ill sign up, is that where the rest of the old crews at?

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    With that been said, that doesn't leave many posibilities to actually show he's still alive

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    ^What? Read please :S It does leave PLENTY of possibilities, if people would just respect eachother in this section and would actually THINK before they posted some fake youtube video it would be a much better place. I guess everybody who does do the things mentioned in the first post should see this as a warning because it's stickied. I won't be surprised if people would get banned for ignoring this and just continueing to spam...
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    pm me your site bushi

    "So you run and you run to catch up with the sun,but it's sinking
    Racing around to come up behind you again
    Sun is the same -in a relative way- but you're older
    Shorter of breath,and one day closer to death"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    its actually my fault he is back here as he left NM due to me kicking him around with mod powers and closing his thread, so he felt threathened by that.
    Since you’re the one who used your “mod powers” to make the last point (not even refuting a word I said, mind you), then immediately closed the threat, that actually shows that you’re the one who felt threatened by me.

    Andy why would you oppose people refuting what people say "point by point"?

    Also, I resent and challenge being called an “alive theorist”, as if reiterating the fact that Tupac is dead is any more “theoretical” than saying that Bernie Mac, for example, is dead. People who are grown-up enough to realize that Tupac is physically dead are able to substantiate, validate and cross reference that information, making it within the definition of “factual”, and not “theoretical”.

    And funny that you seem to talk an awful lot about me in certain threads that I don’t even post on.
    Last edited by AntonBatey; 08-25-2009 at 06:12 PM.

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    Worship dearest of all my friends

    mr anton, here ill make it debate club acessible reply

    Quote Originally Posted by AntonBatey View Post
    Since you’re the one who used your “mod powers”because i canto make the last point on what? ur "interview" thread wich i had already congratulated u on, and wich u were using as your own personal venting channel over some frustration u have on "some ignorant and retarded kids" who call themselves alive theorists, ran out of documentary directors to stalk?(not even refuting a word I said, mind you),dont mind at all, mind over matter dearest of all my friends then immediately closed the threat, that actually shows that you’re the one who felt threatened by me. yeah how could i not, u share the same love for theories i do, but hey ur the one assuming u can detect emotions and feelings over typed characters, hey i believe alot of silly shit myself, but im not delusional

    Andywhos andy? why would you oppose people refuting what people say "point by point"? coz its a pain in the ass all the editing required
    And funny that you seem to talk an awfulyeah u can bet i do ask bobby, but right now im actually typing lot about me in certain threads that I don’t even post on. ur net famous so i use ur name as adjective or example, wasnt that what u wanted? i means isnt it that why whatever u do is something something by Anton Batey???

    And funny that you seem to talk an awfulim still typing, but yep im a loudmouth lot about me in certain threadsu still lurk it seems that I don’t even post on.well ur here now sounding like a broken record are u not? gee anton if i had a net feelings detector like urself id assume with all that repeating and typos, lack of fancy wordplay, u didnt even quote no affidavit, whats wrong mr batey? are u nervous over something?
    mr anton batey, thank you for participating and setting an example and precedent for how many of the points i brought in this thread can be used and are applied. it was my lil experiment, again, thank you for ur participation.

    anton baited

    best of luck for ur internet endeavours

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    Great speech Bushi, well done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post

    -DO NOT REPLY TO WHOLE POSTS POINT BY POINT, ALWAYS MAKE A CONCISE ANSWER TO ANY POSTER;
    a few hours later

    Bushi replies to someone point by point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    mr anton, here ill make it debate club acessible reply...
    Last edited by brap brap; 08-25-2009 at 06:54 PM.

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    ^^ dear anton batey legal representative u actually forgot this, but i see ur well taught in "picking and choosing" only what u want to adress, and failed to realize i used mr anton and my reply as a blatant example of why u shouldnt dissect posts. do u know who andy is?
    are u andy?

    but hey since its u mr brap brap

    ur not alowed to adress me as bushi

    for u im mr guru

    have a nice day sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonBatey
    Since you’re the one who used your “mod powers” to make the last point
    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    on what? ur "interview" thread wich i had already congratulated u on, and wich u were using as your own personal venting channel over some frustration u have on "some ignorant and retarded kids" who call themselves alive theorists, ran out of documentary directors to stalk?
    How is that a “personal venting thread” when all I do is simply interview people regarding subjects that people want to hear about. There are several books and documentaries on the subject of Tupac’s death, and of course, many theories. I am going straight to the people who either knew Tupac, or were at the center of the theories.

    Using your line of “reasoning” (if you can even refer to it as such), anyone who has,
    a) a radio program
    b) has interest in a particular subject
    c) virtually any author in the world

    and the like are “stalking” people who are at the midpoint of the subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntonBatey
    then immediately closed the threat, that actually shows that you’re the one who felt threatened by me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    yeah how could i not
    By not doing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    but hey ur the one assuming u can detect emotions and feelings over typed characters
    Really? Must have forgotten when you said earlier today…

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    so he felt threathened by that.
    Don’t make your hypocrisy so blatant next time. At least wait a full day before you flatly contradict yourself.

    The bottom line is that you utilized your “mod power” to end a debate with me. Rather, you tried to do that. Thankfully, even the prime admin at the website said it was bullshit that you did that, he deleted your bullshit, reopened the thread, and to no surprise, you didn’t reply to what I initially said.

    We all know why. You simply don’t have the intellectual capacity to do so. If you did, you would actually try refuting what I actually say regarding the subject. You do the opposite.

    And I don’t think you know what an “adjective” is, since you claim you use “Anton Batey” in that manner. You use me in a personal sense. Reread every time you mention me.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntonBatey
    Andy
    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    whos andy
    Typo.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntonBatey
    why would you oppose people refuting what people say "point by point"?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    coz its a pain in the ass all the editing required
    Tough shit. Don’t reply then.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntonBatey
    And funny that you seem to talk an awfulyeah
    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    ur net famous so i use ur name as adjective or example, wasnt that what u wanted?
    Thanks for admitting your odd obsession with me. If being “famous” (as you claim I am), you mean having the capability of constricting logical arguments, so be it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    mr anton batey, thank you for participating and setting an example and precedent for how many of the points i brought in this thread can be used and are applied.
    And thanks for proving that you can’t stand behind what you claim. You trying to set ground rules for debates, and within those ground rules you try to tell people that they aren’t permitted to debate a subject “point by point” (which you can’t even defend why not), then you reply to that criticism “point by point” is hilarious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    anton baited
    Not even close. I can easily and thoroughly explain why your debating plank is horseshit.
    Last edited by AntonBatey; 08-25-2009 at 07:49 PM.

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    so is that ur "Rebuttal on Bushi by Anton Batey"? sorry u gotta do better, the only thing ur proving is ur easy to bait, i made a whole mock reply saying shit, guess u like to rebutt shit,
    me i just like to type.

    but seriously, im not a member of the debate club so forgive my lack of protocol.

    guess u never heard of: do as i say not as i do.

    and the hilarious part is u bringin up "intelect" in such a non intelectual discussion, at all.



    in all seriousness now anton, ur 24, a bright young man like myself who is not afraid to think, no one can deny ur smart, but its like...

    u fail miserably at the human level.

    but i wish u no harm

    im not obsessed, i just love unselfishly.

    peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    so is that ur "Rebuttal on Bushi by Anton Batey"?
    Of course not. There is nothing to refute.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    sorry u gotta do better
    You’re the one who initiated the argument and thread, so you’re the one who has to do better in defending what you propose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    the only thing ur proving is ur easy to bait
    The only thing I’m proving in this thread is that you can’t even support your claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    i made a whole mock reply saying shit
    No, you were serious. Don’t try to pass it off as if you were joking. You responded “point by point”, and only after me and someone else pointed out your barefaced hypocrisy, you then claim it was a “mock reply”.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    but seriously, im not a member of the debate club so forgive my lack of protocol.
    You don’t have to be a member of any “debate club” to be able to recognize fallacies and correct them. You accusing people who partake in threads that refute what you claim as being members of “debate clubs” is just your way of conceding in a dishonest fashon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    guess u never heard of: do as i say not as i do.
    Yeah, the hallmark of hypocrites.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    and the hilarious part is u bringin up "intelect" in such a non intelectual discussion, at all.
    The reason why it is non-intellectual is because the conversations are flooded by people who mouth opinions without even substantiating it. I’m not saying that you do that, but you know as well as I do that that’s the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    in all seriousness now anton, ur 24, a bright young man like myself who is not afraid to think, no one can deny ur smart
    I’m flattered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    u fail miserably at the human level.
    How? You don’t even know me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bushi View Post
    but i wish u no harm
    This is the internet. Of course there is no harm here, especially when we’re talking about such ridiculous theories such as Tupac Shakur being physically alive. I didn’t even know who the hell you were when several people PM’d me on YouTube who were on MB almost a year ago telling me that you (among other people) consistently were talking about me in a negative way (as if I’m hard to come to directly). Then I see, again, and for some reason, you talk about me more. So when you see something like that multiple times, it looks like an obsession of some sort. Pardon me if I’m wrong, I may very well be. It’s just odd.

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